(template flex) The client was happy though! Viewed 4k times 0. We were very unhappy after Toll Brothers installed hardwood on the stairs without any baseboard next to it. holy cr*(! Therefore, if you aren’t able to remove your existing stairs and aren’t confident in your ability to cut a skirt around your stairs, then hire a carpenter. The key is to do exactly as you’re planning. All the truss shop drawings were sent to the job for approval. This makes for a very tight fitting skirt board with no shrinkage. Kerry, making sure the top edge is straight. Make sure your skirtboard has a straight top edge. Before reading the article I skimmed through the illustrations and messaged him back this was exactly how I do them. It brought back nostalgic memories. Remove the triangular piece as you go. I still think of him quite often and think of how my life has been impacted through him and Williamson. It either stands alone against the wall along the closed-end of your stairs, or you can run your regular baseboard along the top of it to create an unbroken line of trim from floor to floor. It looks like it would do a fine job. Hopefully it helps, or someone else has an alternative suggestion. Now we can find a carpenter who is up to this task and make our stairway look the way we imagined. Installation Instructions. By “tongue and groove method” do you mean a routed stringer where the treads and risers are routed into the stringer, which also serves as the skirtboard ? A stair skirt is a finish piece of carpentry. That’s one of the reasons carpet is installed after finish carpentry and painting etc. I’ve never seen skirt boards scribed over carpet. I followed the instructions, but when it came time to wedge the skirt in, the bottom few stairs were a tight fit, but the gap in the rise and run increased as I got to the top, where it was easily 1/8″, if not more?! We built the stairs with a 2x4 on the side of the stringers to offset the stringers from the wall. I still remember the sign over the carpentry shop at Williamson. Skirt board/Kick board. The skirtboard (sometimes called a stringer or simply skirt) is a flat board that is installed along the side of a staircase. I wonder what the technique would or could be if instead of a skirt board, a finished panel against the side walls. Ha, i am a week too late reading this article! What would be the best way to determine the width or height of the skirt board? I hope this helps I never saw the stair Genie tool until today. What I’d do is give it a try with a several step length of 1/4″ plywood and see how it fits. Many people will find that removing their existing stairs to install a skirting board isn’t an option, in which case you’ll have to attach it over the existing stairs. You might want stair skirting if you have baseboards in your house, as skirting will serve to connect, esthetically, baseboards on either ends of the step. 1). That’s one of the reasons to leave only an inch to an inch and a half above the nosings so the skirt can “flex” into final position. If you’ve come this far you’ve certainly got the skill to do that. It will be difficult to scribe with accuracy with the carpet in place #2. It has always been my conviction that you can replicate real life situations in a shop and give more more variety and conditions than you get on any one job, particularly when you have time constraints , budget & weather concerns. The last two cuts depend on the height of your baseboard trim. I hope this has been a help. Thanks for writing this article. Stair Skirts #stairs #without #skirt #board #stairswithoutskirtboard Stair Skirts | Ana White. I am working on my first skirt board retro-fit and found this and thought it was a life saver. Thanks Norm for a good lesson in the craft & a nod to you for being a trooper at responding to every new post. Once again, an excellent article. I am not a “stairbuilder” in a league with yourself and the many others who write, post and comment in JLC and the forums. I put the skirt board in place, then used a 3/4 stick as a spacer, and scribed from that. When we first moved into our new house , I knew the first thing that needed to be addressed was the steps leading upstairs. If you could post a picture regarding your second question I can respond better. Stairs Without Skirt Board Skirting Boards Architrave Office Inspo Bungalow Building A House Gap Sweet Home Detail. The method I use is as follows. The skirt is a piece of trim used to cover the structural section beneath the stairs, providing a more stylish finished look. Regarding the coping vs cutting the nosing, I’ve elected to attempt the cutting due to 2 fairly new tools (in the grand scheme of things), these are the Multi Max, and the 0 clearance Dremel Saw Max. I mention in the article that when you set the nail in the oak stick for the rise and the run to set it just a little bit bigger. Thank you Norm. One foreman would roll up the prints each time you’d get close. Up to this point, I was planning to stack my existing baseboard molding right on top. Norm, I’d use either foam or salvaged lumber. I used to teach them ticksticking and fitting all sorts of panels to a brick , stone, and siding walls. My concern would be that the nosings are going to look skimpy. 20 american dollars? On long runs i do your method above. The closer the skirt is to the wall/tread/riser intersection the better because that’s where the joint has to fit it’s best. Norm, I remember talking with you about this very thing last year on the JLC forum. DIY projects tend to take a little at my place. While I see the necessity and inevitability of change I think the “specialization” we see in the trades today minmizes the opportunity for learning the trade. There are instances where scribing the skirt is the best option. It appears to be a structural problem more than a fit and finish problem. Thank you for the kind words. It is my first time doing skirting. Step 2 Hold the skirt board against the wall in the same position it will be mounted. I can’t claim any credit for the drawings. I have long hated the joint between the stair treads and wall and since i did not install my skirt board at install I have wondered how to go about installing one after the fact. Norm, share | improve this question | follow | edited Feb 12 '16 at 16:23. It’s critical that the workmanship is of the highest caliber. Thanks and very good article ! I have one run that is 11 3/8 and the rest are around 10 1/4. I hope you have the opportunity to try it. Unbelievable! Robert Walker makes it all readable. I’m concerned that it will be to difficult to cut for the nosing out of the skirt. Lay a straight edge (board, yardstick, etc. ) My stair treads protrude past the railing and when we replaced the carpeting, it was easy to see the finish dry wall was not done all the way to the treads and it looks terrible. Any suggestions? Ray, 3/8″ – 10 1/16″ to 9 5/8″ approx. I intend on putting new treads on top of the plywood. But GOOD JOB! Whenever I run molding in a room I start away from the entrance so the joints are not as visible. Beautifully communicated! Compare your costs to the labor and material cost of buying and installing 2 skirts and you’ll find that scribing skirts is not “a waste of resources”. In today’s world you seldom see a three piece base. Having your stairs already assembled helps when installing a skirt board. Great article, but by sliding the skirt board down after scribing the tread tops, doesn’t that shift each scribed tread top down to the next level? I disagree. Scribe for the risers & the fartherest point of each nosing. Most often in existing homes removing the whole flight isn’t an option. Also known as stair stringers, skirt boards are installed along one or both sides of a stairwell, depending on the design. Norm. I hope this helps. For sure on the right side you’ll have to undercut the skirt more so the back side of the skirt doesn’t contact the front edge of the treads and riser before the finished edge of the skirt does. Not quite a $20 fit, but my backcuts using a jigsaw need more practice, and these are paint grade stairs. I’m not sure that can be taught. Jim, After making the scribing cuts and ripping the board so it’s about 1 inch above the treads, I now have this 8 foot long unwieldy piece of wood. Check him out, it will be worth the effort. I’m sue there’s other options as well. In this case we used a 1/2" thick piece of base trim. Terrie, A finished skirt board on a flight of stairs is one of those tasks in finish carpentry that remains in prominent view, always open to critique. Happy scribing! Even very rough plywood can be sanded lightly and painted for a finished look. I am a bit sad about it to be honest but would hate to spend the money to try to do the trim board on top of the steps for it not to look good. The easiest mistake to make is not setting the scriber for the rise and run to the highest riser and the widest tread. Thank you for the tip about the metal strip… I will do that. Second, it’s important that you set the height and width of the scribe (oak stick with sharpened finish nail) to the longest tread and the highest riser. You have to put some pressure down on the saw that’s not necessary with an up cut blade. Then the cap that’s on your base will install on the top of the skirt and tie into the base at the bottom of the stairs. Congratulations on a job well done. I have scribed plenty of skirts over treads that had carpet installed after the fact. Do know and follow the care and maintenance procedures. This would be it. the steps are always the same usually and its just a rough cut to use the scriber .by the way love that scriber from (fast cap). Now holding that in place, I look to the left and move the square to the 9" mark so the inside 9" mark is at the top of the skirt board because my stair treads measured out to 9". But found this!! Tim, Scribe from each riser face moving up the stair from the bottom. I’m debating whether I should install the treads and risers first and then the skirts, or do the skirts and then the risers and treads. Good article, my grandfather taught me this method 12 years ago but he called it the two stick method and had separate sticks for rise and run. 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